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Crazy wager 2472/19/2023 I had wanted to get involved ever since, and then when I started working in the web, it seriously made sense to go to DevTools in the browser, as opposed to maybe like a REPL for Ruby, or something. That's how I stumbled upon working on REPLs for Ruby and Python, and realizing that you can actually do this stuff, it's possible. I thought I could spend a little bit of time just getting involved in open source so that would never happen again. I knew I hated that feeling when you're working on something and it just doesn't work and you're not quite sure why. I got there, and I had just graduated college and done a little bit of programming. They have fellows come in, like Marin, who works on CodeMirror and ProsMirror, and Jose Valim who's worked on Elixir. Jason Laster: Oh yeah, you meet the most amazing people. Jerod Santo: Okay, so we have definitely heard of that, and people rave about it. Jason Laster: Yeah, at least that's my understanding of it. Jerod Santo: A very practical problem with that name. I think it has this resonance with a developer, like "We're recursing into something", and frankly Hack School just didn't really work well if you were crossing the border and you wanted to tell the border agent like "Yeah, I'm going to Hacker School." It doesn't work. Jerod Santo: Yeah, I remember that! What did they rename it? Recurse? Jason Laster: It used to be Hacker School. Jerod Santo: That used to go by a different name? I did this retreat called Recurse Center, which is just this magical place where you can go for three months and contribute to open source, explore a new language, anything like that. I've been at Mozilla for one year now, and prior to that, I guess it all began for me when I graduated college. Give us a little bit of just the background of you at Mozilla. A rich history, and a lot has changed over the years, but before we get into that, Jason, tell us about - you work for Mozilla. It really kind of kicked off tooling inside of the browser before that it was just - you'd throw in an alert in there and you'd see pop up, and you'd just wanna pull your hair out. Jerod Santo: We'd like to start off with a little bit of history, because I feel like Firefox has a rich history in DevTools, specifically Firebug, which we all know it's a third-party add-on release by Joe Hewitt, back in 2006. Jason Laster: Yeah, I'm thrilled to do it. Jerod Santo: He opened this issue on ping back when he worked at Mozilla, and Brian is a technical product manager for the Firefox DevTools over there, so thanks Brian, and Jason, thanks so much for joining us. He in fact said "Have Jason on", and "Have James Long on" as well. Jason, thanks for joining us, and real quick, a shout out to Brian Clark, who teed up this conversation. Well, we're all excited because if there's one thing that developers love, it's tooling, and it's DevTools specifically, because they're approachable, you can dive deep into them, and of course, they help us do our jobs better. This time talking about something from Firefox, debugging DevTools, this fun thing Jason Laster's coming on, kind of peeling back the layer of the history of some things for us, and hopefully sharing with us where they're going. We have three sponsors: Linode, Toptal and GoCD.Īdam Stacoviak: Alright, we're back with a fun show today, Jerod. We talked about the back-story of Firefox, Firebug, the new Debugger.html, why React and Redux make a good fit for developing Debugger as a standalone application, community efforts and also how to get started. This is episode 247, and today Jerod and I talked to Jason Laster about Firefox Debugger and DevTools. Adam Stacoviak: Welcome back everyone, this is The Changelog and I am your host, Adam Stacoviak.
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